Tuesday, November 01, 2005

My Thoughts (email)

I completed my rather long stint at LFF a few years ago. I would have left sooner but we all know what kind of shame falls on the remaining family when their child forsakes the church; not to mention I myself was afraid to leave. There truly were not any choices. I was more like a juvenile fish in a fish farm in the middle of Kansas, no hope of ever reaching any real body of water. I am so ashamed to be associated with Living Faith Fellowship, whenever it comes up in conversation I try to leave, but its not always a choice, you eventually get corned and people ask were you went to school. "You went to the cult school, how was that?" From that point on I am (we are) labeled as one of those crazy Living Faithers. I want so badly to shake off this past of mine but I can not, I grew up there. There are times I ask my self: Who can I fault? Is it my parents? They thought there were doing right, doing just as they were told. It saddens me that they still subscribe to that LFF way of life. I was never able to talk to them about life growing up. Now every shred of even speaking to them about the little things is destroyed. When I try to talk to them about the church they just refuse to even evaluate their situation, they put up the defensive walls with an, "I don't want to hear it!". I don't think I'll ever be able to talk to my parents about life, its just gone...

I do think the blame for this rests on many, and I do know that at the root the blame rests on one man.

I am so tired of all the games, all the masks, all the smoke and mirrors. Don't try to charm me. Don't smile at me and make small talk like we're good friends. My life is torn to pieces because of a few people's egos. They never do truly care about any thing but their own little world. I still have not forgiven; it's hard to when the wrong doings are still going on. Why should I forgive when they continue to deepen and salt my wounds? They need to "get their heads out of the sand."
I have come to the realization that these wounds will never heal. They leave ugly scars and continue to re-open and bleed all over the place. Like the life lasting effects of injuries, each one a direct tie to my early days. One of the ways I have found to relive my pain is to laugh at my past, some of the things I remember are just a big joke now. I write them down some times just for kicks and giggles. I have entitled my collection of short stories "Lets compare scars" here are a few of the shorts for your enjoyment.

Today is brought to you by the word....

As a hush falls over the crowed, as a man slowly shuffles its way up to an over sized blue podium. He slaps his outstretched, ring clad hands on its sides. Much licking and smacking of his lips later, he utters forth a new word, which has never before fallen on human nor animals ears. "Gloryifickjtasticah." (To be heard, glory-if-ick-tastic-ah) The people loudly cheer and clap their hands. The man stands, slowly looking side to side licking and smacking his lips. A pleased look crosses his faced as he thinks "Yesss, once again I have pulled the wool over the entire congregation's eyes" The cheering subsides to a dull roar as the man says,"Say to your neighbor Gloryifickjtasticah, as you are seated" The people blindly follow his direction, every one of them uttering nonsense.

Pappa knows, Pappa knows....

Sitting amongst my Christian school peers, all dressed in polyester, hushed in silence as if there were a dead body on display. Sweating, waiting for the "great privilege" of Pappa's wisdom, that we may be enlightened by the wisest man in the world. Shifting in our chairs, wondering what the opening topic would be, glancing around looking for missing friends. Would it be another room spinning 1 hour and 1\2 hell? Has one of our friends fallen to the world, "turning their backs on us?" Was today's topic, "Council on how to avoid all contact with this fallen friend," followed up by seeming hours of teared and fiery prayers, that they would turn away from the path to fire and brim stone. Would the boys and girls be separated this time, so they could confront one of us with a sick and heinous sin while the other gender prayed for the detained, that we would spiritually ignite and become men or women of god. We were required to conjure up questions that our parents couldn't answer, so pappa could flex his superior, enlightened mind. If we couldn't think of any would we be reamed for throwing away this opportunity to bask in the light of gods representative.

The school staff trolled about, reminding us only of impending doom. "I hope you all have good questions" they would say.

"Lets all give him a warm round of applause." they shouted, as his immense person entered the room, rings flashing rays of light, his cufflinked sleeves swaying slightly, under one arm a large leather day planer was perched. He would walk to the front of the room, eyes squinting behind his gold rimmed glasses. Setting his planner down with a thud, he smacked then slowly licked his lips.

He usually opened his meeting with. "whose got the first question?" or the dreaded "I bet your all wondering why I'm here today." I even remember a, "How many of you know what sex is...... (a hushed silents) ..... Every hand in the room should be raised"



I don't know about you but I feel better when I laugh about things, and there are plenty of things to laugh at in retrospect. I have seen the comments about people trying to heal, try just laughing.
I know I'm going to get the comments "you should forgive them" and "there were positives, talk about those" but you know what? this is me, the real me, this is were I'm at, these are just a few of my hurts, this is one of the ways I deal with things, and I will try my damest to never allow any body or church to have as much control of my life as my family did. I really appreciate this blog, now I am not just another out of sight out of mind.

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Anonymous said...

To hope that you don't put someone in their grave, that you seem to intensely hate, is very serious. Please get some help so that you are not held hostage by your experiences for the rest of your life.

Anonymous said...

Hey, another ex-PCS student here. I have not posted any stories on here yet but I must share this observation. It appears that the education provided by PCS was rather shoddy. This is evidenced in the spelling and sentence structure employed by many of the students brave enough to leave a comment. I don't know if it is better to advise everyone to use a spell checker (too much sounding out words people) or let the mediocre grammar of this school's graduates continue to speak for itself. I am not trying to put any one down, I am just laughing at how everyone thought it was such a great education. Obviously this is far from the case.

Anonymous said...

I have nothing bad to say about any of my teachers. Granted, I was always in trouble but I was a trouble-maker. Perhaps they went a little too far in cracking the proverbial whip but it matters not. I guess anywhere I would have spent my youth; it would have afforded me plenty of skirmishes with the powers that be. Therefore, I have no reason to hold grudges against my teachers because anywhere I may have been I would have had a similar experience.

That being said, the church thing was entirely different. I won’t even go into the abuses I experienced at the hands of my pastors. And the fact that they now intentionally ignore this is insult to injury. Their silence here is in no way surprising but it does call into question their own mental capacity. How could people continue to trust them as leaders when they have crushed so many?

A genuine apology is not the end-all fix-all solution but for many it would go a long way. Maybe they could learn a lesson from the grace of a former teacher at PCS. When someone said they were hurt by a former teacher, she put forth an apology. I admire her for taking that step and apologizing to anyone she may have hurt. She is not too arrogant to admit a mistake and is obviously eager to seek the forgiveness of anyone she may have offended. We all make mistakes and when confronted with them, we generally apologize. Enter the senior pastors…What gives? Are they the only ones too blind to see the train wreck they caused? Everyone can see it and yet they foolishly cling to their innocence as if in silence they will somehow save face.

Anonymous said...

11/12/2005 1:55 PM wrote:
"I am not trying to put any one down, I am just laughing at how everyone thought it was such a great education."

You say you are laughing, and now i am laughing at the statement. I am pretty sure that in these 200+ comments no one here has said anything about PCS being a good education. I believe some of us have given credit to certain teachers where it is due. And puuh-leeeze...who gives a crap about our spelling or grammer. We are not writing college theses here. The internet practically breeds it, so its pretty much forgiven and nearly anticipated. I know many of us have gone one to be quite successful, I myself will be earning a doctorate soon. So please forgive me, and all else, if on this here blog some of are lazy. Its actually a nice break. Regardless of the education we received at PCS, all of us have gone on to choose our own paths, and recover/heal/move-on in our own ways. Some of us remain friends, some of us don't. In a perfect world we wouldn't need this blog to be anonymously connected, but we could be sitting around in a happy circle charing our stories face to face. Clearly, that is much to much to even consider, so we find ourselves here. Can we all please avoid 'flaming' each other and stick to funny, hilarious memories of our crazy up-bringing.

HAPPY COMMENTING EVERYONE. LOVE YOU AND MISS YOU ALL.

Anonymous said...

HAHAHA. Case and point. There I go with my spelling errors. I meant sharing, not charing.

Anonymous said...

I arege. Dnot jgdue me by my sellinpg eorrrs!

Anonymous said...

Seriously! It's a blog! Who cares if everything's perfect?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone understand what comment 11/12/2005 5:37 AM was about that was out of the blue. As someone who has committed many spelling and grammacial errors on this blog I would like to say yes I am lazy.
Do you guys remember the winter fire drills. There would three feet of snow on the ground We wouldn't have our coats or snow boots but we had to carry the upstairs daycare kids (who got to wear their coats) slipped and sliding down the hill and across the parking lot.

Anonymous said...

they related to a comment that was deleted

Anonymous said...

at least the boys got to pull their arms inside their vests

Anonymous said...

at least the boys got to pull their arms inside their vests

Anonymous said...

Anyone remember that one list that the leadership of the school and church handed at a special meeting for parents after one Wednesday night church service? There was stuff like "Helluva" and "I am sorry you had such a crappy day" on it. Ha! What a joke

Anonymous said...

I can't believe that we fought so hard about our Graduation Party.

I still can't eat ice cream without thinking about the other 11 graduates that year.

Anonymous said...

Hey, why the anonimity y'all. Karl can't hurt us anymore. I would laugh so much harder if I could connect comments with faces. I should sue the Bardens for slander, get a million dollars out of the settlement and retire on a beach in Croatia. Samoset, I have your wsu email address, but haven't gotten a response from you, so maybe it expired??? I just remembered talking with you and Karen about a year and a half ago, because I was so disturbed after watching 'The Life of David Gale'. Ha ha, I was too afraid to sleep, so I talked to Karen for over an hour. Also, I was home in Dallas last week. Looking through photos, I came across the ones of Jesse and Melissa's wedding. There's one of you and me sitting on my parents' couch drinking beer and looking at photos...probably ones of when we were young and snaggle-toothed. I think my mom scowled at us because we were laughing too much, and it was supposed to be 'serious' time since my parents were giving Jess and Liss some bible or something. I digress...my mom sent me an interesting link last week. Seems as though little Mikey King and Isaac Wells are making rather noteworthy names for themselves in the political world....and they're so cute:) Way to go guys!
We just got our first snowfall, I am heading out now for Austria to do a little skiing.
Cheers!!!
Rachel Marshall

Anonymous said...

By the way, who is in leadership at LFF now? All I know is Joe and the Vances. And Katania...what is she doing?
rlm

Anonymous said...

I understand that Katania is going to have a baby and that she are her husband are involved in "youth ministries" at LFF.

Other than that I don't know.

Anonymous said...

SICK! The last thing the world needs is another one of her or her mom's type running around.

Anonymous said...

encouragement notes

Anonymous said...

the minibus

Anonymous said...

klemgard park (sp?)

Anonymous said...

the fourth floor

Anonymous said...

broken sisterns

Anonymous said...

flying paper airplanes off the gym balcony

Anonymous said...

i wrote "i love sam"...oh my, what a sexy boy

Anonymous said...

the spagetti feed

Anonymous said...

boyer bash & sledding in troy...those college kids were sooooooooooooo lucky...losers

Anonymous said...

Being told not to sing Beach Boys songs on the bus because they sing "I get around" and know wanted to tell us what that meant.

Anonymous said...

Sam, you have to stop commenting about yourself! ;-)

Anonymous said...

What weird childhoods we had...it's so nice to have this forum where we can reminisce together. I try to explain things to some of my friends now, and they just look at me like
I'm deranged. (I probably am, but at least I know that other people remember the same things I do.)

As for the list referenced earlier that was handed out at a special Wednesday night meeting, that was a list of phrases I had included in various notes to my best friend--which were stolen from her and made into a public example so every one would know what rotten language I was using. I think the list included shit and damn along with the previously mentioned profanities. For this I was suspended for 7 school days. Despite the discipline abuse (punishment did not in any way shape or form fit the crime), this situation led to a very real encounter with God that helped me to realize for the first time that He loves me. Period. No matter what. Talk about a serious turning point.

To Martin and Jamie--you are amazing. I wouldn't be who I am today without you guys. When others ostracized me, you loved me and believed in me. You changed my life for the better, and I would go through PCS again to have you both in my life. Blessings on you and your families.

Anonymous said...

Remember goal checks? And all the ingenious ways we had to get around proving that we had completed our goals? Extra goal cards, white out, hiding PACE's, "losing" PACE's, "losing" goal cards...amazing. I would always be so nervous in the morning until I had passed goal check. Then it was on to another day of messing around, doing nothing, and scheming about how I would get through goal check tomorrow. I literally went through a period when I wouldn't do any work in a PACE until the day I was scheduled to turn it in on my goal card. Then I would get up at like 3 in the morning and do the whole PACE and turn it in that day. I did this with numerous PACE's over the course of a few months, and then I got caught. Sorry to all of you who had to suffer through tougher goal checks because of me--I didn't mean to make your lives more hellish. If there was one thing I learned at PCS it was sneakiness and deceit (that was the only way to achieve the "holiness" that we were required to strive for.) How ironic...striving for holiness always produces the opposite result. Oh...and I learned that I do my best work when I procrastinate. Something that served me well through out my college career.

Anonymous said...

Kindergartners receiving congrats slips in op. ex. "Math 100%, English 100%, Social Studies 100%..."

Dave requesting "Father Abraham" in chapel. Every week. Good times.

Anonymous said...

I remember one time (before I was in Martin's class) that we had to put our heads down on our desks for the whole afternoon. My desk was next to Jake's (as it was every year) and we put our heads close to the divider and whispered through the cracks. We almost made it through the whole afternoon without getting caught, and then, at the last minute, she got us. I think we got automatic detentions and had to do goober patrols or sort crayon shavings or something.

Anonymous said...

whoever posted about the food fight, I miss you. and the others involved. that day will live forever in my mind as a monument to beating the system. what a glorious day.

Anonymous said...

My sister is the other person mentioned in the post about the list of "bad" words that was pasted out. She was suspended for a rather long amount of time. After suspending her, they actually told me not to speak with her or associate with her as it would influence me to slip in my relationship with God. I am so grateful to my mom who told me that what they said was a load of bull and that the thing that my sister needed most was for her family to love her and be there for her.

I love my sister more than anyone else in the world and I am pissed that anyone ever tried to come between us. As if it was their responsibility to raise me instead of my parents, who, I might add, did an amazing job. I owe everything to them.

It has been interesting for me to read this blog. I had done a pretty good job at hiding all of the hurt and the anger. I had convinvced myself that I was ok. But since I began to read this, all the hurt and anger came back, the confusion and feelings of rejection, fear and unworthiness have leapt up inside me and I cannot escape them.

I am told that time heals all wounds. I sincerely hope this is true because right now I dont think I will ever be able to forgive. My early years were lived in fear and rejection. My early teens were haunted by eating disorders that I developed in an effort to feel some form of control and order in my life. A form of control that I could put on my life and that no one else could mandate for me. At 16 I was the victim of a brutal rape which left me pregnant. In a time like this I should of been able to turn to my family for help. But I couldnt, I was afraid that the leadership at LFF was going to kick them and myself out. I was afraid of what they would do to my parents. In an effort to protect my family, I kept my mouth shut. I never told anyone. Not even while at merely seventeen years old, I alone by myself suffered through a miscarriage. In the times that I needed my family most, I could not turn to them for fear that they would be shunned and that they would be told, as I was with my sister, not to associate with me. To this day, I have no doubt that if I had not miscarried, I would have been expelled from PCS. The leadership at LFF would have blamed the whole thing on me and on my parents "poor parenting" skills. After that point, I became very closed off to the world, I ws constantly being scolded for rebellion and haveing a hardend heart. In my pain and confusion, I turned my back on God. I wanted nothing to do with Him.

Three years later, I have begun to find God again. He is rapidly becoming a part of my life. I have told everything to my family and my closet friends. I have a better relationship now with my family then I ever have before. I have tried therapy, but was unable to follow through with it because I was living in constant fear of who the therapist was reporting to (thanks to LFF's insane micromanaging policy; bluesheets etc). I am eating healthy for the first time in years though I still struggle with anorexia and bulimia from time to time. I cannot trust church leadership, nor do I want to. I have trouble being involved with anything related to church. The words service, leadership, holiness and accountablility make me angry. The first two decades of my life are drowned in pain and hurts inflicted on my by the world, but mostly by my experiences at LFF. I can only hope that my next two decades are healthier and happier.

To those of you who are still looking, I am not there yet, but I do know that given time, there is hope and healing. God is bigger then anything that has happened to you and he can help to shoulder your burden. You do not have to be perfect to be loved, infact, the less perfect you are, the more God can do for you. To all of you ex PCS'ers: I would not trade the memories that I have with you for the world. You are an amazing group of people who deserve the utmost of my respect. To the people who are reading this and know who I am, I love you. If it was not for your friendships, I would have given up on life a long time ago. God bless you all.

Sincerely,
An ex-PCSer who is struggling to find healing and hope

Anonymous said...

P.S. that should say my closest friends, not my closet friends

Anonymous said...

The whole exorcisim bit was a bunch of crap. I remember not being so sure about it when it came up. In some ways it was just one more thing that we had to fake. I know that I wasn't the only one who faked being slain in the spirit, speaking in tonges, even prophesy, and word of knowleadge. It was so easy to pretend to be a good Christian.

To the person in the last post: I am sorry. You are right, if it had come up you probably would have been expelled. I am sorry because, to my shame, I would have judged you. I probably did, for other things, as well as your sister.
No one should live under that much pressure. It can't be healthy for people to live in a place where they can't talk about things like that.

Anonymous said...

from the writer of the last post:

should be "exorcism," "tongues," and "knowledge."

sorry to the spelling nazi of several posts up.

Anonymous said...

one last thing, I probably judged your sister, not that your sister judged you as it might sound. I really should read posts more carefully.

Anonymous said...

To my sister, who shared so poingantly a few emails up: I love you so much. You are my hero, and I hang on to the hope that God is good and He is bigger than everything inflicted upon you. I hope that you can learn to really be loved one day...you are beautiful.

To everyone else I grew up with...I'm sorry for judging you. I didn't realize what a conditioned response it was until after I left. If I knew each one of your individual pains, I would have had more compassion. Just reading all this stuff fills me with profound love for you all and utter amazement that I grew up with such incredible people. It is healing to realize that we all dealt with the same pain and wounding; we may have expressed things differently and developed different coping mechanisms, but we share a common sorrow. At times I felt so isolated...like every one was ganging up on me. Now I see that we were all just doing our best to survive and make sense of an often senseless situation. I know now that those who mistreated me (kids and adults alike) were being mistreated themselves, and I hold no grudges anymore.

Wherever you are at in the healing process (or non-healing procss, if that's how you're feeling right now), I love you. I'm pulling for you. I'm hanging on to hope for you. For all of us. Thanks for sharing these experiences (good and bad alike) with me--it is so healing to just write candidly.

Anonymous said...

Reading these last few comments makes me realize something, no matter what we went through at LFF the only constant we had was each other. To this day my love for the people I grew up with make tears come to my eyes. Without each other I don't think we would have survived LFF\PCS. We covered each other asses so many times. I would still do anything to help them, if they needed me I would drop everything. I may only talk to them once a year or so, but I know they will always be my best friends and they will always be there for me too.

Anonymous said...

so true...I love you guys.

Anonymous said...

As I have read these more recent posts, many memories that I haven't thought about came floating to the surface.

Someone earlier said that they understand why some people treated them the way they did. I appreciate them sharing that because although I had a few friends at PCS, I was often ignored and forgotten by most of my peers. I wasn't one of the "in" kids. I am beginning to realize that they were just surviving the system like I was trying to do. I hold no grudges.

However, my reality is that I still feel the repercussions of that kind of treatment in my life today, and I have a hard time entering groups of people because I feel like I am not important and I expect people to ignore me and leave me behind. While I am working on changing this mind set, I have found a new appreciation and love for the people I grew up with and it is helping me immensely.

I was generally not accepted into groups but I do remember fondly times I would spend with different peers more on a one-on-one basis. Like when one of my friends had surgery, I would walk down to her house and just hang out with her while she recovered. We had some great talks.

It's hard to read the stories my friends are posting sometimes because I am now finding out what was really going on in a lot of situations. I always knew when there was something wrong...I could see it in their eyes and sometimes I could just feel it. I felt powerless to do anything.

It always made me mad when we were told to stay away from people. I remember that whole note situation that happened and I couldn't talk to one of my best friends for a long time. It made me sad to see her sitting in the back pews at church and not be able to say anything to her. All we could do was do the silent hi and sympathetic smile thing.

Some of us have been through horrible things. Someone of us had to watch our friends deal with them. When I think about all the people that I grew up with I am humbled by the sheer strength we all had to endure through it. Sure not all of it was bad but I am grateful to be able to talk about our experiences whether good or not with a group of people who truly understand. I have found nobody else quite understands.

We are a unique breed of people and I consider it a privilege to have grown up next to each and everyone of you no matter what our relationship may have been.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for all of the Posts!! (All the laughs and all the crys.)

My heart hurts right now for all of the hurt and the judgments that we were all taught to place on others.

Compassion is not something that was taught well at PCS . . . I'm so grateful for the example of a few who really knew how to love everyone.

It is amazing to see the forgivness that some people have in their hearts. You are strong and more amazing than I could ever be.

God Bless!

Anonymous said...

i was the one sitting on the back pews not talking to anyone--your silent hi and sympathetic smile mean more to me than you will ever know. thank you.

Anonymous said...

Why do we keep coming back to the blog? Because of the last few posts! My heart breaks over and over again for each of us! I am the parent of 3 PCSers. I've written many times before, but then one of you shares your heart and I can't keep quiet. I wish there was some way that I could wrap my arms around each of you and let the love I have for you out. I also would like to impart the love of God to you. I know it may not be possible on the blog, but I want to invite you all to the Meet & Greet again.

We are looking at getting together in the Seattle area on December 29th. Please email me and I will give you the information.
lffmeetandgreet@gmail.com

I hope to see many of you!
John Brower

Anonymous said...

remember dam field trips, dam fish, dam keepers, dam water, dam turbines...wow, we really thought we were cool.

my friends and i used to say "Lower Granite" as a stand in for damn...badasses, everyone of us.

Anonymous said...

To the very brave young woman who shared so openly and preciously about your experience, and her sister, I want you to know that you two were always some of my favorites, and I love you very much.I want you to know too, that if it was not for your parents, I would not have survived the time when my family was shattered. You are all pretty incredible. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Wow, I just never know what to say. I can't imagine the horrors we all went through that we never told anyone...even the things that weren't our faults. How many families were shattered, maybe not by divorce, but by other things? How many nightmares did we live through that to this day, no one knows about? I remember one chapel where a young lady had to get up and ask forgiveness for being abused. To that young woman, I hope you get a chance to heal. I remember the many tragedies that happened....everything from the Keifers to Gregory's to when the twin baby girls died to Pastor Gale....there were many open tragedies and there were many sealed ones that we might not ever know. There are things I went through, things my friends went through that are probably too painful to talk about. However, in all of this, there are a few things I know. I know that it is not God's punishment or judgement that leads people to Him...the Bible says it is His kindness, His goodness. I know that His faithfulness is great, even when we are not faithful because He cannot deny Himself. I know that somehow, in the midst of all the secrets and all the pain, that He loves and pursues us with an everlasting love. I don't know ho and I don't always feel it or even believe it is there, but somehow it is. I am praying for all of us. I miss so many of you and hope someday we can meet up.

Anonymous said...

i now wear my hat backwards, have long hair, cuss like a champion sailor and love to get into fights...pcs taught me how to survive the mean streets...any pastor who's solution to a problem is to tell everyone not to talk to a teen because of an indiscretion has no clue. unbelieveable! i cant believe how judgemental everyone was...what the hell? i think the mental problems that i now have are great

Anonymous said...

Speaking of Divorce . . . I had a conversation several months back with one such PCS child.

I apologized for the way we treated her after her parents got divorced. I told her that I felt so badly because none of us knew what to do. As if it wasn't bad enough with everything going on between her parents, we added insult to injury by not knowing how to react and not being sensitive to what she was going through.

I am so very grateful to be friends with her today and grateful that she doesn't hold that against me.

I still cannot get over the fact that we were taught to love everyone and yet when issues of divorce (or your fill in the blank) came up it was like Christianity ended and bigotry/intolerance began.

Anonymous said...

I love the comment about cussing like a champion sailor. Brilliant! I can cuss with the best of them. I would love to have a cuss off with you.

I have a question. What PCS kids still go to LFF or support it? I can think of 3. Justin Waite, Joe Weaver, Katania Vance, and I do not think any of us have any respect for the latter two I mentioned. What kind of a success rate is that PCS folks? You should be so PROUD vances! How many of us have graduated or left in the past 10 years. 50? 75? And there are 3 that still go there or support it? Well, that is a hell of a success rate. Tell that to the parents and families wondering if they should enroll their kids. Tell that to all the proud parents that still attend LFF and think it is worth a dam.
All the time I hear stories of people on TV or in real life, and they talk so fondly of their high schools. They go back to them and support them at games and other things. I will never again visit that school or church that was my hell for nearly two decades. I just think that all the parents who are thinking of putting their kids into PCS should know the figures of how many actually support it. And dont you dare believe the Vances lie that things have changed.

Anonymous said...

Without Mr. Eckmann there, the educational standards are close to nil. if you send your children there they will succeed in Kindergarden(because of Amy) but after your children will be so ill prepared for the real world socially and academically. Amy we love you, but please leave the dark side.

Anonymous said...

To the person who noted that only three PCS grads were still there supporting the church - you missed a couple. Katherine Davis is Phil's secretary - if that's not support I don't know what is! Also, her sister Sherri and her husband Nick are still there. They said once that they would still tithe to LFF once they moved!!!

Anonymous said...

let's schedule that cuss off...i'm ready as i've been practicing diligently

Anonymous said...

I must say in defense of those still there, that it doesn't mean that they agree with what is going on or what went on.

Maybe they just haven't found a way out yet or have other reasons beyond our understanding to stay. or perhaps it is true, they don't see anything wrong with LFF.

Who knows? But again, lets try our very best not to judge them. I know it seems to be in our blood, but lets try.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone think there ever could be "reunion"?

I know that Dan & Amy tried that like a year or so ago, maybe two, but I was unable to attend, so I don't know how it went or how many people attended.

Or maybe we should have the school do Alumni Games again. :)

Anonymous said...

yeah they did a reunion this last summer, but it was for Sam and Karlene class on up...

maybe think about doing one for 1981 birth and before??

and some one else organizing one for those younger??... there does seem to be a generational line, and different memories and experiences from these 2 groups

Anonymous said...

I do agree that it isn't really fair to judge those that are still there for not leaving. After all, it did take some of us a while to "get it". Their reasons are probably circumstancial.

Anonymous said...

man, that brings back the days of the big and little kids. sadness...i guess us 84ers are SOL???

Anonymous said...

well you are the little kids.

Anonymous said...

not so little anymore. now we're the younger kids. and that would make you the . . . oh right, the OLD people. :)

Anonymous said...

It is kind of reassuring to still be the little kids. It means that we are well loved and looked upon with much fondness. So...get over it everyone younger than us is the little kids too you know. Plus by this time they aren't the old people they are just some very seriously BIG kids!!!

Anonymous said...

I remember when I moved up with the "big" kids when I was very young. That was fun for me, I watched everything they did, I thought they were so awesome.

Also, Martin taught me that I shouldn't call my older sister my "big" sister. The thought had never crossed my mind before that. So I always smile & think of Martin whenever I call her my "big" sister.

Anonymous said...

Some random thoughts:
I have thoroughly enjoyed reading this section, although some of it is painful. One of my favorite things is to get my ex-pcs children together and let them go off on all the things they did at PCS. I would be horrified if I didn't remember the things I did as a kid. I didn't tell them many of those stories since I didn't want to give them any ideas. But obviously they had plenty of their own!

Btw, in the ancient past, when I was in public school, they spanked there, too! And for various reasons, high school was the most painful years of my life, and I would never go back. I can't think of anyone to blame for it, though. I guess I just wasn't up to the task, especially socially. But in spite of saying that, I wish I had understood better what it was like for you students. I remember the pain of being belittled as a child, and I think you got a lot more of that than I did.

Pixie (Teresa) and Elizabeth-thanks for very gracious and classy responses to immature and cruel attacks on you. It's amazing how much we can resemble those we hate. Maybe we all come out of one bolt of cloth, after all. It takes courage to be kind.

I am still at LFF because there are many wonderful people here. Some of us remain because of whom we can help. I don't have to imitate anyone, put on a face for anyone or 'gravel' at anyone's feet (and I don't write any reports!...yay!). I know who I am and why I'm here. Maybe I will write more about that another time.

Some of us survived by developing a sense of humor, about ourselves, about leadership, and about anyone who thinks more highly of themselves than they ought. For my childrens' sake, I'm sorry I didn't learn that lesson sooner.

All of this breaking the silence is good. For so many years many of us struggled alone, not realizing the people we were rubbing shoulders with were feeling the same way, facing the same pain. Maybe we could have made things different if we had been smart enough to at least speak to one another about our true feelings. Like many others, I tried at times to make my voice heard, but there was no way. Things ARE better, now, but there is much work to do. We are used to peddling uphill, by now!

Many of you have little good to say about your teachers. You probably have no idea the price some of them paid trying to protect you and help you. They didn't live in a vacuum, either, and they caught hell when they didn't conform.

I loved all the Mary stories and copied them to show my wife. She probably wouldn't see them otherwise. She's too busy trying to make her world a better place, and doing a pretty good job of it. And the convention trips are among the most wonderful memories she has. She would drop everything in a minute and do it all again, if she could. She would probably even include Bro. Wolfe!

I am on a parents' steering committee for PCS, started last year, which is trying to make it a better school. We may succeed or fail, but at least we are trying.

My email is gbaldridge@pullman.com, if anyone wants it.
--Gregg Baldridge

Anonymous said...

Well said Dad. Btw, I love you a billion and I think that you are now and always have been the best father in the world. --Robi Baldridge

Anonymous said...

The folks that are still in bondage to LFF (aka Living Fakes) are obviously in La La Land. They like to inform those of us that have had the good fortune to leave that "things have changed there". WRONG! I attended a wedding there this afternoon and I must say "things have NOT changed". Samo...samo! There was a lot of humor to enjoy....just in being an "outside" observer.....No offense meant to the lovely couple but it was so BORING and predictable. Here's an interesting side note.........a young man (who no longer attends there) was there with a lovely young woman and I mentioned to one of the few that had the courage to chat with me that "he" looked quite nice...she took a few steps back and gasped and said "well, not if you know whats on his inside". They are still in the judgement mode! It's just all to sad! I'm embarrassed to admit to anyone that I ever attended there.

Anonymous said...

I hope you are not calling Gregg a fake. I know him to be a man of courage and compassion.

He said that things had changed, but that also more change was needed. The very fact that he can state this publicly on this blog is itself some proof of change.

I left four years ago.

Anonymous said...

To the 7:38 remark:

First of all, I would like to say that I don’t think that the person who shared openly about attending LFF is in “La La Land.” Clearly, he recognizes that there is a lot wrong with LFF. Yes he said that there has been “some” change. He also said there is much work to be done. His point was that he can do more for God’s children who are still there and in pain. People that may feel that there is no hope. Maybe, he is one of the brave few who stay behind out of love for and care for the people who are still blinded by what LFF is and does.

Secondly, I strongly resent the fact that in a place where we are supposed to be able to openly share what we feel, that you are judging and attacking one of the few who read this blog and still attend LFF. In my opinion, he is by far more honorable because not only did he have the courage to post a different opinion then every other person on this blog, but he gave his name as well. This takes balls, no one else has the courage to do that because we are all afraid of opening up our selves to attack. I have posted multiple times on this blog and I definitely do not agree with LFF, however, I do have the deepest respect for Gregg and the fact that he stayed true to his opinion and the people that he loves and cares for. I know I would not have the courage to state my own name with the comments I have posted, I am a coward and I know it. Let us not attack anyone for their opinion.

Third, you stated that the people at the church are judgmental. Some of them, yes most of them are. But not all of them. I am saddened, however, by your post, because it was every bit as judgmental as the people who are still at LFF. I would hope that since we have gotten away and are now free to our own opinions that we could look beyond circumstance and just love people. Why must we judge those who are still there? While most of them just don’t have a clue as to what is going on, some of them are very aware and like Gregg are there to ease the pain of the ones who are still closest to the flames. Do you not think that these people are in equal amounts of pain, if not more because they are still there. Try to understand others pain and not just your own. You might find that they have more in common with you than you would think.

Anonymous said...

Gregg is one of the most honest, real, compassionate and unfake individuals that I have ever had the privilge to relate to. I knowt this because he is my father. I would like to set the record straight. He is not living in La La Land. He sees the pain that LFF has caused. He himself was cruelly abused at LFF as well. Why? Because as the father of his children and the leader of his home he would not bow the everything that LFF demanded. He took the time to seek God himself and then lead his family as he saw fit. In his effort to protect us, he was humiliated time and again by the leadership at LFF. He was yelled at and called names. He was abused for doing the right thing.

I am so grateful to him for the sacrifices that he made and is still making, not just for us, his family, but for the people that are still at LFF. People that need someone to stand up for them because they are too wounded to do it on their own. In my eyes, he is a hero. I saw the pain that he went through, the depression that came with the abuse, and overall, the unyeilding strength that is in his character.

Nothing has angered me more about LFF than what it did to my parents, but they taught me to look beyond the hurt and the rage and see the pain deep inside of those that hurt me. In doing so, I can live without hate. Yes I still get angry, and rightly so, but I can also see that the leadership and the people that hurt me most are hurting too, maybe more than me.

Does this mean that I have to support them? NO. Does it mean that I have to relate to them? NO. Does it mean that I have to like them? NO. But I certainly dont have to hate them. In fact, I greive for them, one day they will have to answer to God, and my compassion goes with them, they'll need it.

I am far from holy. HA. I know I am not. I am a tipical product of LFF/PCS. I am angry and bitter. I struggle to believe that God gives a shit. I dont trust people in leadership, especially in a church setting. And I hate people who are fake. But this I know. My parents are the furthest thing from fake. And it doesnt matter what I do, they will love me and help me out of whatever mess I have created. I am told that this is how God is, and the longer I see my parents in action, the easier it is for me to believe. One day, I will believe again, and one day I will trust again, and one day, I will live again. I know this to be true because I have seen my parents walk through the fire and survive. I know I will too.

Mom and Dad, I love you from the bottom of my heart. You give me strength when I have none and hope when all I see is despair. I dont know why you still stick by me after everything I have put you through, but I know that you will never leave me. I sit here now with tears pouring down my face in gratitude for every sacrifice you have made for me and my sibblings and all of the countless lives you have bettered. You are my heores. I love you.

--Robi Baldridge

Anonymous said...

Honestly, the person who said he is in La La Land should be ashamed of themselves. I was in the Baldridges home group for a while before we left and I never had better home leaders than they were. It took a lot of courage for him to say what he did and he deserves our respect. It's true that a lot of people are still there to try and help, not to support what has been done, but to try and make things better. Maybe those of us who left need to show some compassion. After all, we are angry at them for judging us for leaving, yet we judge them for staying. Maybe we could try doing what we say and give them some slack!

Anonymous said...

Whoa! Back up the car........I wasn't attacking "Mr. Baldridge". I was simply stating what I observed.......I've never had the opportunity to "know" the man. I see that we're ALL being "critical and judgemental". We had the Best training available....Happy day!

Anonymous said...

OK enough debate about judging people .. does anyone have more stories from PCS? Do they still have uniforms, if so what are they? When I was there we had the sexy polyester jumper that my poor mom always ended up sewing the night before school started.

Anonymous said...

As for the Baldridge family, they were a true down to earth family even 15 years ago. I remember the great evenings I spent babysitting the kids. By the way Robi how old are you now and what are you and your siblings up to --since I have been gone almost 10 years now. Christie

Anonymous said...

does anyone remember the puff sleeves with the plad jumpers? didn't we put mr. yuck stickers all over them? those were awful...i can still see the stares as we got off the bus for convention. i think i was there for all the eras....polyester, plad, skirts and vests.....awwww....the days of the uniform! what are they wearing now anyways?

Anonymous said...

Christie--

I am 20 and teaching dance. Carol is in Nashville, Tennessee, working and dancing. Peter still lives here in Pullman, working for assorted contractors. I dont know if you ever really had anything to do with Alex, but he is in 9th grade this year at PCS. He is aspiring to be a novelist. I think that he will be an amazing writer. He is really talented.

Just wanted to let you know that I was thinking about you the other day. You were always my favorite babysitter. I remember one time we sat up on my dad's desk way past our bedtime eating tic-tacs and talking. We sat there just messing around until we saw my parents turn on to our street and then you yelled out the warning and all us kids made a mad dash for bed. I dont think that we got caught that time or any of the other times, but that was good times.

I hope that you are doing well and wish you the best for all that is to come. God bless you.

--Robi Baldridge

Anonymous said...

I remember Christi babysitting my brother and I too. She organized a treasure hunt with plastic easter eggs. Fun times. :-)

Anonymous said...

I remember when Christi babysitted me, too. She washed dishes without soap and we played some sort of a game. You were one of my all time most favorite babysitters.

Anonymous said...

I remember when Christie snuck out early and accompanied me on my morning paper route...thank GOD I don't work mornings anymore! ps, it's blizzarding here in Garmisch, Germany. Winter has reached the Alps!!!
Cheers!
Rachel Marshall

Anonymous said...

ps, anyone know what part of Germany the Eckmann family comes from? This makes me remember Martin getting packages from 'Alaska Sausage and Seafood'. I was so jealous of all that delicious stuff he had at school.
-RLM

Anonymous said...

Christie was the best babysitter! And her mom was awesome too! I always loved visiting their house.

I hope the the whole "Bowerman" family is doing well. And as I see here, we seem to have fond memories.

Anonymous said...

I have the agree with everyone about the Baldridges they really are some of the best people at LFF. I receive all my respect specially now as they are foster parents to "troubled kids". From what my mom has told me they foster the troubled kids until the kids are able to reach a change in their behavior then the kids are sent to a more permenant home. I think this is one of the most selfless things anyone could do. My dad still attends LFF, he knows that my sisters and I hate that fact, but he has told me that this is where his friends are and he doesn't feel God wants him to leave yet. I don't agree, and I pray he will see what my mom did and leave the church. To blogger, 11/19/2005 7:38 PM, I agree with you on the change when i have visited people either treat me as if I was a leper or try and take me to coffee so they can evangelize to me.

Here is the Mr. Eckmann's company website, He took control of the company this summer. http://www.alaskasausage.com/

Anonymous said...

Amy Carlson was also an awesome babysitter. I remember we made up a secret code and wrote notes to each other in it. She made long evenings while our parents were attending leadership meetings a lot of fun. Thanks Amy!

Anonymous said...

"I am still at LFF because there are many wonderful people here. Some of us remain because of whom we can help. I don't have to imitate anyone, put on a face for anyone or 'gravel' at anyone's feet (and I don't write any reports!...yay!). I know who I am and why I'm here."

I think that's very well stated, and Gregg, I admire you for having the courage to post publicly here. I also still attend for the same reasons you do, but I'm not ready to "out" myself ;). You have a very loving family, and Robi, I haven't lost respect for you at all.

"They are still in the judgement mode! "
Not true. I know many people at LFF who don't judge others. You can't paint everyone w/ the same brush. There are many individuals there who aren't robots. And it hurts me to read comments about those who have chosen to stay when I care very much for the people who left, and continue to care for them even if they never come back. I would hope that if I ever ran into you and wanted to hang out, you wouldn't look at it as me trying to get you to come back, because that's not my intentions at all. I just want to be your friend.

I like reading all the fun memories that the PCS kids had, and it pains me to read the bad ones, but it reminds me of my childhood. And I didn't attend a Christian school. They used corporal punishment even back in the '80s in some public schools. I never received it, but we all knew someone who had. And we had the same cliques in our schools. It has nothing do do w/ going to a cult school, and everything to do w/ human nature.
We also pulled pranks on our teachers and hated most and loved a few. We were rebellious and loved to see how far we could get away w/ things. I wore a t-shirt that said "I love my attitude problem" to spite a teacher that hated my guts and wrote that I had an attitude problem on my report card while all of my other teachers said, "Pleasure to have in class, Great student, Etc."

Again, I don't blame you for hurting and never wanting to go back to LFF. I think a lot of bad, bad mistakes were made, but there are people like Gregg Baldridge and myself and others that are working to make a difference.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, but if you still go to LFF there is no way I will "hang out with you." I think you are probably blinded enough by the church to be aware of your own destructive actions toward others.

Some of us were so hurt by that place that we have to protect ourselves by avoiding all contact with anyone from there. I don't care how genuine your desire to "hang out with me" is. You go to LFF. You deserve a stereotype. You deserve to be labeled. And so I do.

Anonymous said...

To 11/22/2005 2:52 AM. I think that judgement is ingrained in us at LFF, even as you read our ex-PCS posts you can see that are first reaction is to judge. Judging can come in different forms, when you read these posts do you think to yourself I need to pray for these people to find God again. That is judging you are assume that we in our own way have not found the God we need. I don't go to church does that mean I am going to Hell. You most likely would say yes, but then that is judging. I have family still at LFF, so I know what goes on there. I believe you think that the judging is not as bad as it use to be but what would happen if an openly gay man came to LFF. He would be judged. The bible says he that is without sin cast the first stone, so why is there stones being tossed at all? Judging is a tricky thing because in writing this I am judging LFF, but at least I admit it and am not harming others in the process.

Anonymous said...

Interesting comment above . . . one of the most powerful events that occurred in my life occurred when LFF brought in a previously gay man. (Sy Young maybe). If anyone can think of his name, please share it.

I was a PCS kid and it finally dawned on me about Judging Others. One of the things that he said is that he likes gay churches. And I the ever judging child was shocked. He then went on to explain himself saying that at least they are searching for God and at least someone is trying to show them love. That his how he got started, going to Gay Church and then becoming a Christian.

So LFF did teach me to judge others, but they also brought in this amazing speaker with this message of freedom, compassion and unconditional love. Also, this speaker was also very funny.

So for me I have to say LFF trapped me into behavior & habits which I hate, but they also gave me the keys to undo the locks they put all around me. Amazing! We had the tools to be free for so long, but sometimes they were so hard to see or find.

Anonymous said...

sy rogers... thats his name

Anonymous said...

Thanks . . . Silly me, Sy Young.

That's a baseball award.

Anonymous said...

I made the 11/22/2005 10:07 AM comment. I remember the Sy Rogers video and agree that that was the best speaker I have ever listen to. He opened my eyes to the judgements I gave freely and the judgements put on me. Although he was eye opening for us, I didn't see a change in the LFF philosophy or behavior. Having visited LFF in the last year I saw that I was still judged by the choices I had made with looks or words spoken to me.

Anonymous said...

its technically Cy Young.

...sorry i'm a baseball nerd, i couldn't resist.

the last comment made me wonder, do any of us here on this blog ever wander back to LFF for a service here and there?? i don't care what the reason is, just curious. i went last Xmas and Easter to see the 'productions' and cuz i felt like i should go to church somewhere. and i have been 2 other times in the last year. i guess my family is what makes me want to visit from time to time.

Anonymous said...

I tend to find myself back there several times a year...only because of family. I can barely stand it though...usually someone does or says something to piss me off and vividly remind me of why I left.
I have carefully guarded my feelings from my parents because of their feelings toward LFF and view this whole blog and the thoughts and feelings behind it as offensive.
I value my family much more than LFF and I refuse to let them destroy my relationship with my parents.
It's not easy going back. Everyone treats me like I am suddenly their best friend and acts like they truly care. Granted I am "safe" because I didn't go out with a bang like a lot of other people did. I was able to leave "legitimately" so they don't see me as a threat or a dissenter.
I am a nice person so I try to be kind but it take all of my will power to do so.

Anonymous said...

I was back there last weekend. I got the impression that a certain former teacher has been made aware of the general feeling about him and his teaching style.
I cannot believe how nasty he was toward me. Frankly it pissed me off because, although I can't say I like him very much, I have gone out of my way to be nice to him since he is a close friend to one of my best friends. I can't for the life of me think of what I have could have done that would give him reason to be so be so verbally condescending and demeaning toward me.

Anonymous said...

I would go back, if it were possible to do so without anyone knowing who I was.

Anonymous said...

2 comments ago -- you should just call Jamie out by name. Most of us would agree with you.

Anonymous said...

"You deserve a stereotype. You deserve to be labeled. And so I do."
Okay. Maybe you feel that way, but I don't. Maybe you are so hurt that your refuse to see that anything good can be there. Nothing I can say or do to change your mind.

"when you read these posts do you think to yourself I need to pray for these people to find God again. That is judging you are assume that we in our own way have not found the God we need. I don't go to church does that mean I am going to Hell. You most likely would say yes, but then that is judging."

Well, I'm sure we've all judged things in our own way. Even non-Christians judge others.

And I in no way believe that you are going to hell because you are not going to church. I don't think God is found only in church. I don't pray for people who have left LFF in hopes that they will come back or assume that they don't believe in God or whatever. I do pray that they will find peace.

And I'm sorry that someone would refuse to be friends w/ me just because of the church that I go to. That to me is no better than what you are saying people have done to you. I realize that you have trust issues, and I would never force my friendship upon you. But not all of us are blind robots there. I know it's hard for you to wrap your mind around, but it's true.

Anonymous said...

I have been going back to church at LFF the last little while and I completely disagree with the way that you are representing Jamie. If anything he has done nothing but go out of his way to show care, compassion, and concern for how I am doing. I think one day one of you got a stick up your butt and decided to pass your crap along to someone else. Listen I have been around Jamie for as long as I can remember. Have we always seen eye to eye? NO!!! But I gotta tell you he is one of the good guys. He has fought for you, cried for you, prayed for you even when you don't realize it. In me saying you I am also including myself. Look he is still there! That says something about his character. I guarantee you whether it always comes out the way you want it to or not he holds every childs...to adulthood and beyond best interest in mind and heart. Jamie, if you are reading this don't listen to all the other crap. Take away the good things that you read and be blessed by them.
Lael Gatewood

Anonymous said...

Lael, I LOVE YOU!!

And Jamie, and Jen, I love you both!!

Anonymous said...

I only go to church when I am visiting my parents and it is a holiday, ie Easter. I think to some Jamie was a good friend and teacher and to others Jamie's style of communication, confrontation, and discipline really bothered them. I was in the latter category. I know now that he didn't wish harm or malice upon me, but at the time he scared me, I never knew what would set him off. As a semi-adult I can see that he is not a mean person, we just have two different styles of communication and his scares me.

Anonymous said...

I can say this without a doubt. At any time that I ever wanted the truth, good or bad, Jamie has been completely honest with me. Yes, it was a little awkward between the two of us when I first left but I can understand that. For a guy who poured so much of his life into me to hear that I no longer want to be associated with the church that I grew up in and he still attended must have been painful. It had to be easier for me because I can easily point at all the bad things and walk away into a new life. But he is still there and if there is anything good there, he would be one of those people. In a way, when I left, I was rejecting him. That wasn’t the case but it would be easy to see it that way. There are so many good people still there (Baldridges, Carlsons, Langes, Nordquists, Byers…the list goes on) that are fighting for things to be better. These are people that I spent my life looking up to and still look up to for their selflessness and commitment to caring for the people around them and working hard at doing it. Unfortunately, I got so close to the top that no matter where I ran I could no longer bury my head and pretend that the injustices didn’t exist, that Kari Vance ran the place from her personal agenda and hurt nearly everyone she came in contact with. I fought hard before I left trust me. I would sit for hours talking in a calm voice while I was being yelled at for being rebellious and dissenting. They just could not hear me. It reminded me of the “blind their eyes” prayers of old. They honestly could not see what I was saying and I realized that there was nothing more I could do. I was not growing in God and my faith was actually being crushed by people who claimed that they could “hear better from god because they had been doing it longer.” And that is a direct quote. I started to wonder how well I would hear from god when I had been a Christian for 30 years. Maybe it would get exponentially better…or maybe it was all hogwash. It was. I left. I am happy.

Anonymous said...

I can understand why some people have problems with Jamie. I had some problems with him and the way he treated people because he sometimes had a tendency to point out what was wrong with you in front of people and that left some serious scarring in my life and in my sisters lives. However, he wasn't all bad. I wouldn't classify him that way and I think the personal attacks on people should probably stop. I'm not saying our feelings don't matter. Of course they do! But, I agree with Lael, pull the stick out of your butt! We honestly don't know what they had to go through working at PCS. Would you want to work there, under that kind of pressure and that kind of leadership. I'm impressed they survived as long as they have. And we don't know what happened behind closed doors. We don't know how many teachers stood up for the kids, got blasted and had to conform. We just don't know. I say we try and give them the benefit of the doubt. On a lighter note, I recently visited LFF and happened to be holding my sisters baby. Boy did I get funny looks! All their faces said "wow, you had a baby? still not married? hmmmm." One person greeted us, started walking away, then came back and said "Ok, so I gotta know, whose baby is this?" The whole thing got cleared up, we all laughed and left after worship! It was hilarious!
-ek

Anonymous said...

I would like to take a moment to say, that I am sorry for blasting Jamie the way I did earlier. It was uncalled for and it most definitely was not the time or place to do so.
I was very confused at the way he responded to me last weekend and in my confusion and hurt I lashed out under the protection of the anonymity of this blog.
Jamie has never done anything to hurt me in the past except for making me do things in PE that I hated but then again, I really didn't like PE. :-)
I think our personalities are very different and to cope with that I tend to just keep a buffer of space between us all the time to avoid little issues like what set me off last Saturday.
I know Jamie worked hard and I am sure took a lot of the blows on our behalf for which I am grateful.
So Jamie if you are reading this, I apologize and I hope you know that I hold nothing against you. I agree with the person above who said that you were always looking out for our interests. I remember you were always challenging us to broaden our horizons...like for example the music evaluations you had us do. I remember the times you brought in the the Canadian Brass pieces for us. That was definitely expanding our horizons on the music front! :-)
--KaG

Anonymous said...

KaG and everyone else,

Do you realize how huge this is that you just apologized. No one told you to. No one asked you to. You guys despite whatever things happened to us growing up we are great people. God has blessed us so much and to be able to communicate like this...this is what Christianity is all about. We are living exactly what we want to happen at LFF. The church...our church may never be exactly and do exactly what we think is best for it but that doesn't mean that we are not being true to ourselves and our own faith and beliefs. I don't think that you all realize the magnitude what just transpired here. Being and doing as a true Christian with a faults and all Just transpired. You are a beautiful, amazing girl Katie!!!
Lael

Anonymous said...

As nice as it is that people can apologize, I would really never, ever, ever again like to hear that place referred to as "our church." I have worked hard to rid myself of all association with that place and the people who go back to free-load when their lives suck and they are too lonely to sit at home and watch tv.

Anonymous said...

I don't see how "what just happened" is so exciting for christianity or whatever the blagger was saying. It seems to me that it had more to do with being a mature and rational adult. Admitting that you are wrong is not some huge victory for christianity it is a choice that mature adults make all the time (whether a christian or not). What does being a mature adult have to do with christianity?

Anonymous said...

Remember when someone in this thread said that PCS kids are dumb because they can't spell? They were SO right. Don't give me, "The internet breeds poor spelling and grammar." That is stupid.

Anonymous said...

Enough of this depressing talk, we are all adults(at least in age)and we are all allowed to have different opinions, Who cares how they feel so some people don't like Jamie and other do, I don't see Jamie coming to defend himself and until he does we should just respect each others opinions and agree the disagree unstead of shaming others for what they think. I don't have to like him or want anything to do with him, but if you do great.
leb

Anonymous said...

Its so hilarious to read the comments on this entire blog. Totally takes me back and its fun to know who wrote what with their comments. As for the stories, i was one of the kids stuck in the closet and i thought it was really funny and the fact we got to miss out on some school work was cool. Im so glad someone brought up Sarge patrol. I think i was the youngest one on that crew and i felt so cool to hang out with all the fun "big" kids. Everyone there treated me like i was one of them. Thank you to all of you. Mary Baldridge was probly the best chaperone ever. I got to room with her one year and it was so fun. One time when we were at a rally, i was sitting next to her and she asked if she fell asleep to poke her and wake her up. I think we had to do that at least 5 times that night. I also have great memories of lael taking the time to talk to me and actually interact with me when i was younger. Thank you it meant a lot. I most definitely remember sonshiners cause my mom was the main teacher there and remembering the sonshiner tree for all those who had to go. I still miss it.
On a side note, its interesting cause i think that im the only one in my family who reads this, though i know that most of the rest of them know about it, and i think its hard sometimes cause my parents do still go there and support most of the stuff that happens, not all but most. I guess i really dont know what to think about it because there are good memories and bad and i saw a lot of my friends go through horrible stuff while i escaped a lot of it cause i didnt "catch" the attention of a lot of leadership, which also has its problems too. Anyways, i dont live there anymore and i dont really have a desire to go back, but if anybody knows kind of how it is with your parents still going when youre not, it would definitely be helpful to talk about it. I would definitely appreciate it.
Anyways, thank you for all the great memories and the laughs about my brother, sister and mom. Miss all of you!!

Anonymous said...

First, I personally didn't appreciate the last comments at 1:15 and 1:17, but that is beside the point.

PCS kids have come here to chat and I don't think that for any reason they should be made to feel bad for any of their feelings. Yeah, some of our feelings may be wrong, and some of our feelings we should get over, but sometimes its not that easy.

I think the point of the comments above was, let’s not attack each other. So lets be nice!

Second, Christianity or not. "What just happened" was great. Sometimes its difficult to apologize and KaG didn't need to share her name or say she wrote the previous post. That is showing that she has courage beyond what many of us "anonymous" bloggers have.

So to everyone, Happy Thanksgiving. Please remember that no matter what childhood memories we have, good or bad, most of us and probably all of us can find something to be grateful for.

Remember when they would give us just 2 1/2 little acorn nuts, “just like the pilgrims”, to remind us of what we should be grateful for. So tomorrow, Christian or not Christian lets be thankful that we are all loved and that we have a place to come and enjoy our share experiences.

Again Happy Thanksgiving!

Anonymous said...

Does anyone remember who all was on sarge patrol cause i cant remember everybody, sorry!! If you do it would be cool to remember

Anonymous said...

I remember something about ghosts in the Family Center. They hung out in the back of the boys bathroom and by the drinking fountain.
Rumor had it that the church was built on a Indian burial ground and was haunted.
I think I heard at some point a bunch of people went in there and annointed all parts of the building and cast out all the demons that resided there.

Anybody remember who saw the ghosts and the story behind it?

Anonymous said...

They were corn nuts and we got 5 of them. And we dressed up, and they brought in donuts. I remember Paul and Dave always fought over the biggest ones.

I hated that Rod Marshall made us sit around and sing Give Thanks. Years later, I respect him more than all my teachers save Martin or any other LFF pastor.

Anonymous said...

it was Darin and Jesse in the downstairs boys bathroom... they saw "angels" :)

boy that is an old school memory

Anonymous said...

To this day I cannot watch ghost movies or anything similar because I thought every shadow at the church was a ghost, I remember having to go to the family center when it was locked up and being so scared that I would sing at the top of my lungs because I had convinced myself that if there were ghosts that would scare them away.

Anonymous said...

Remember the corn mash we had to eat at the PCS Thanksgiving

Anonymous said...

Anyone remember the huge ship they set up in the gym and the animals Dr. Stone brought in...I think it was for American Heritage day.

Anonymous said...

The angels in the boys bathroom, they were chained, as I recall. I had forgotten about that one!

Anonymous said...

hey, I saw the I pleadge allegience video on tv (changed the channel), then, I found a yellow smilly face on a CD I cannot believe I still have

Anonymous said...

there were angels (and Jesus?) by the downstairs water fountain, I believe

Anonymous said...

Anyone remember shaking the jar of cream to make butter. Also, remember my dad reading from 'The Light and the Glory'. I believe that's the origin of the 5 kernels of corn story. I guarantee if I was home yesterday with my family for Thanksgiving, he would have been reading that story to us. What a good guy.
Prost!
rlm

Anonymous said...

Hey...did any of you people go to the Pearl Jam show at the Gorge on Sept 1st?
rlm

Anonymous said...

rlm,

your dad was the coolest guy we ever had. some of my fondest memories, ones I look back on and laugh, are some of the things he brought. The pledge of allegiance to the lamb. Steven Curtis Chapman's The Great Adventure. Standing On The Edge Of Tomorrow. I could go on for days.

You were all lucky he got you out of there. What a wise man.

Anonymous said...

Ghosts/angels in the downstairs boys room! After Jesse and Darin reported one, I remember talking with Tom Mildren and Michael Dripp during a 5-minute break, when we convinced ourselves that if we went back there in the dark, we would see one. Sure enough, there it was - chains and all! We all had our 10 seconds of glory at Wed PM church and I learned a thing or two about suggestibility.
-TB

Anonymous said...

To 10.38 am, funny you mention that Steven Curtis Chatman(sp?) song. When we were pulling out of Pullman, after an excruciating dinner with Karl and Sherri, my dad played us that same song. It was cool, because the Barden family had done everything in their power to tear our family apart. Sherri tried to turn my mom away from my dad, and even told people that my parents' marriage would disintegrate with our leaving Pullman. Their plan failed, because that horrible year before we left only served to cement our family together. That song was our family anthem, as corny as it sounds...and Texas was our great adventure:)
I have been living here in Europe for over a year now...sometimes I miss my family dreadfully! My fondest memories of home are Sunday dinners. Our famliy is kind of spread out all over Dallas, but we always get together at my folks' house for football and feasting! My mom and sister-in-law cook all kinds of tasty goodness, while the rest of us drink beer and watch football. The meal is the best part, because we sit around and laugh our asses off telling stories of our week, and even better, stories of Pullman...the funny ones. Most of our wounds have healed now after 11 years, so the stories don't hurt so much. It's always a little hard on my dad when we tell Pullman stories, because he somehow feels a little residual guilt for not having left LFF earlier than we did. Regardless, it's amazing what a little time, and a LOT of distance can do for our memories.
ps, Samuel, remember when you were getting your hair cut, and saw Drew Bledsoe at the barber shop. Didn't he sign your newspaper or something? He's still my fav. quarterback.
Cheers y'all...
Rachel

Daniel said...

Rachel,

What brings you to Europe, specifically Garmish Partenkirchen? Are you there for school? or just a job? Or a great experience to flush out the memory of Pullman ;-)

I'd take the Zugspitze any day over the Palouse ;-)

(I am trying not to be too jealous, I love that area, it's such a beautiful place)

Bis Spaeter!

Tschuss!

dB

Anonymous said...

Do you guys remember the boys waiting outside the girls bathroom downstairs for a girl to walk out and scare the sh** out of them. And they would get us all the time. Another memory, whenever someone got the chicken pox our parents would make those of us that haven't had it share cups and the same bed with the infected ones. I remember some of the Carlson girls had it at boyer camp and we all had to sleep together.

Anonymous said...

I remember the boys doing that. One time after a volleyball/basketball trip Darin came running down the hallway to scare Missy. They ran into one another and Miss Melissa broke a rib. She was pretty pissed.

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Anonymous said...

Who knows about GAP? I can't for the life of me decipher who dB might be. Oddly enough, the Zugspitze opened last week...it makes me giddy that someone knows about good ol' Zuggy. I am working at a US Military ski resort here in GAP. It's a phenomenal opportunity to live in one of the most beautiful places in the world, while still being surrounded by some of the familiarities of home with the US kaserne so close by. I have seen 14 countries this past year, and it's all because I'm so centrally located in Europe. Blah blah blah...enough bragging. If anyone's interested in employment here, lemme know. It's a pretty sweet deal.
If you remember GAP, then you know that the gluhwein stands open this week. Gluhwein is a very Bavarian specialty, a sweet red spiced wine served piping hot. Down in the Marienplatz(town square) they erect small huts that serve gluhwein and wurst. It's so fun on cold afternoons to stand at one of the tables outside the huts in the blizzarding snow and warm myself from the inside out.
Auf Weidershen!
Rachel

Daniel said...

Rachel, I'm Dan Bailey, brother of Larry Bailey, uncle to Tim, Andrew, Matthew, & Theresa Bailey. Sarah Bailey is my sister-in-law. I attended LFF 1977- 1981 and I remember your parents. I don't really remember you either, but it's been a long time :-)

I've lived about 6 years in Germany at various times in my life. I've been to Garmish plenty of times as both a military dependant and as a soldier. I've also taken vacations every few years to Europe and England. I have German relatives too.

I'm glad to hear that the kaserne at Garmish is still there. what a spectacular place. So many US bases have closed, just unfortunately not a certain US church or school l ;-)

Anonymous said...

Just so you know, gluhwein is also available at finer grocery stores around Christmastime in Western Washington. Right next to the weinerschnitzel.

Anonymous said...

Oh, that is lovely. Good to see that Bavaria is being represented on another continent. Hope they are not really selling schnitzel at a grocery store...it would be quite ugly reheated.

Anonymous said...

Man, I LOVE Wienerschnitzel. The one in Everett is the only one I've ever seen, but my buddies and I used to hit that place more than a few times during the month

Anonymous said...

We are all on a quest to get the truth out there to prevent others from getting hurt and allowing ourselves to heal.
I feel that what I am about to address is necessary to say for the world to see so that those of us who were victims of the system are no longer silenced. Some people may interpret this as bitterness and a downward spiral, but in fact it is the pure, plain and simple truth.

To begin, I would like to address the leadership of LFF past and present, as well as to those people who have looked at us and shook their heads and said, and I quote, “ It’s a shame so many of them (LFF/PCS kids) didn’t turn out.”

Yes, it is a shame. But where lies the real shame...I think the really same is that:

Fact: With the exception of one year while I attended PCS, A pastor came to our chapel service and screamed at us for not living godly enough lives. Now if I remember correctly from my higher academic training since then, those things we got in trouble for were very natural and normal things for teenagers to be going through. Suppressing the natural development of children has led to some significant problems naturally, emotionally and I would venture to say in this case, spiritually.

Fact: We were forced into being perfect or the gates of hell would swallow you whole if you so much as questioned the words of a person in pastoral leadership.

Fact: We weren’t allowed to express how we felt. We were expected to take their word as final…as God’s word to us, without question. Our expressions often led to being screamed at, removal from sports teams, detentions, suspension, or whatever leadership could concoct as worthy punishment for our crimes.

Fact: We were told…don’t do it. Sex, Drugs, Alcohol, you name it. No explanation other then it’s sin…no education other than the RED BOOK of “Don’t Touch Me” and Julie’s Story…a perfect petrie dish for our inquiring minds and imaginations to fester in. Maybe some parents filled their kids in but mine didn’t. They figured the school would let us know what we needed to know.

Fact: We were subject to demoralizing methods of control from how we served detentions to being forced to show our spirituality by getting up and preaching at chapel to pass a devotions class.
Any enemy trying to get information from a prisoner will use demoralizing methods to break their prisoner down into getting what they want out of them. Sound familiar?

Fact: We were required to sit at our desks from 8:30am to 12:30pm and sometimes all day in the earlier days, without looking out of our offices or talking. We were graciously given a five-minute break every hour but we had to earn our long recess but doing book reports, Christian service and by having the required amount of work done and by having applied for it like you might apply for a bank loan. Easier said than done.

Fact: Our academic system set us up to be cheaters. Guess what Karl Barden’s biggest pet-peeve was? Yep, it was cheating. They set us up for failure. We had to score all of our own work against keys. Every page, every number, every letter, every comma and period. Should at any point our scored pages not be exact replicas of the keys, we were slapped with demerits and detentions and sometimes if it happened often enough or there were many errors at one time, we found ourselves being screamed at. This resulted in being knocked around, our workbooks being ripped up and we had start them over (usually a three week investment of work), and usually we were given detentions and sometimes suspended when we fell into their trap. I guarantee you, most of our scoring errors weren’t intentional. It seems like THEY thought we had woken that morning and thought to ourselves, “Hmmm. I think it would be a good day to cheat because I feel like getting yelled at and spending 45 minutes in detention holding a 5 inch thick dictionary above my head.” Yeah, right…that exactly what we thought.

Fact: There was no separation between school and church for us. What happened at school followed us to church, and vise versa. We had no breaks or allowed any to have any outside influence. We were carefully guarded against the outside world. We were raised up according to what one person thought best…We were raised to be little spiritual robots. It kind of reminds me of the movie The Stepford Wives. Actually it’s not too far from what was really going on.

Fact: We were taught to fear leadership…to literally kiss the feet of our pastors. We were among the privileged if we got to “serve” them.

Fact: We were not trusted and thus segregated based on gender.

Fact: We were taught to believe the outside world was evil.

Fact: If we couldn’t sing, play sports, or had some quirky personality… we were ignored, excluded, and left behind.

Fact: We were required to be open, honest and transparent with any adult who should ask us to share even if we had no relationship with them. What we said in confidence became public knowledge among the pastoral team and others.

Fact: The founding pastor told us, that we were all lying little cheats. We were ungrateful little brats and not worthy of their time and investments. They threatened to close down our school more times than I can count. They placed us on probation…like we were juvenile delinquents.

Fact: They exposed our “sins” to the entire congregation one Wednesday night so everyone could “pray” for us.

Fact: We were told that getting our ears pierced before we were 16 was sin.

Fact: We had to give up our parents and our family time for the building of that ridiculously huge building. (I personally remember two solid weeks I didn’t see my dad because he had to get up early for work so he could get off in time to go to work all night at the church.)

Fact: It was expected of us that we take every “opportunity” to grow. If we chose not to take G.G.s or be a JCD, or whatever was “next,” we were instantly scrutinized and a horde of sins slapped on us…condemning us and forcing us through guilt to do them or if we didn’t give in were ostracized and labeled rebellious.

Fact: We were ordered to not talk to or associate with college students.


The fact is that this list could go on and on.
And you look at us now and wonder how we can be so rebellious, such good liars, and hate those in authority.

When people make these “turning out” comments, all I can say is, “Do you really blame us? I think we turned out pretty well all things considered,”…and all this being said by one of the “good” kids.

I was afraid to stand up for myself a child, but I am no longer so hear me now.

True, I am angry when I think about this.

But most of all I am sad. Not for myself, although I had my share of injustices. I am sad when I see the pain, hurt and anger in they eyes of the people I love most, the kids I grew up. It breaks my heart. We are all struggling with the demons of our past. The words that were screamed at us, the self-images we were forced to believe about ourselves will haunt us probably forever.

What you have done to me will affect me for the rest of my life…in how I make choices, they way I think, and how I act.

It’s a shame, that you look at all these facts I laid out above and see nothing wrong with it, you come up with excuses and you deny they ever happened.
You have taken away my ability to trust people and for that I have lost all respect for you. You have used, abused and manipulated us for your own gain and purposes.

I don’t stand here today and condone the poor choices my friends have made as a result of their rebellion and bitterness toward you. But I don’t blame them because what I see happening with my friends, fellow graduates and even the ones that didn’t make it all the way through, as the classic text book example of how emotionally and physically abused children behave into their adulthood.

I would be lying if I said the 23 years of my life I that spent at LFF were all hell. There were good times and friendships that have stood the test of time.

I hope this enlightens others to the extent of what we all went through and helps people understand why we say and feel the way we do. We still get angry and feel the pain of old wounds sometimes and so we talk about what happened. I think it is the only way to deal with our feelings. However, I hope, before you criticize us as a group and jump all over me for what I have said, you will take a minute and ask yourself how you would feel if you were in our place. If you had spent your entire life, up until now, living in fear, being silenced and being suppressed.

Most of us have moved on and created a new life for ourselves and found hope that there is life after LFF…a real life. We are free to love and follow God the way He wants us to and not the way someone else feels is right for us. I for one have found immense freedom in that.

Anonymous said...

We didn't cherish our church youth. We were hypercritical. Karl in particular seemed to hate teenagers.

It is like a sad, private joke between my spouse and I that when we see a group of teenagers walking by, we say something like "there is a group of teenagers--up to no good, I am sure." Or, "there go another group of ne'er-do-wells." We say this as a spoof on what was modelled by the leadership.
I should also say that we say this in part as a commitment to love them and to never ever categorize them again. We say it out of pain, out of repentencee.

You were the next generation. We failed to allow you to think, to make decisions, yes and to fail but to fail in an environment that should have been safe to fail in, the home and church.

More serious than the vast sums they raked in for ostentatious building projects, yachts and pleasures, multiple homes, trips abroad, was what they robbed from the children. They left no enduring spiritual heritage to our young people, and that cannot be denied. Except God is greater.

Yes, you are very right, and I think there will be an accounting for this at the end of all things. May God have mercy.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps something from the first chapter of Luke might be appropriate at this season. I know it ministered to the ache in my heart as I have wrestled with some of the issues recently expressed here.

"And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous—to make ready a people prepared for the Lord." NIV

Luke quotes Malachi 4.

It is interesting that the people being made ready for the Lord in these passages includes both parents and children. And teenagers I think we can safely say.

The peace of the Lord and his Merry Christmas be with you. Amen.

Anonymous said...

The thing that saddens me the most is that I am helpless in preventing this happening to the kids there now. Although I don't think they have it as bad as it once was. It still is bad and the cycle will continue. When most abuse happens you can try to get legal help, but this is the unseen abuse. it's the abuse that can cripple your soul an spirit. To those that have ask our forgiveness for the abuse LFF caused thank you, and to those that still continue the abuse shame on you, may God judge you for all the innocent children you have harmed and are still. I have read the posts that say we need to give grace to those who abused us because they themselves were being abused. When physical and sexual abuse happens and the abuser in the past has been the abusee, they still are punish, they still should have known better, they still chose to abuse and the same applies to those at LFF. For my personally I completely forgive those that have admitted they were wrong, asked forgiveness and changed their ways. But I have no grace or forgiveness to those that have not.

Anonymous said...

jehovah nissi

Anonymous said...

dusting all the chairs and podium in the old sanctuary and spilling the anointing oil on myself and sampling the binacha-sp? mmmmmmmmm

Anonymous said...

uhg, dusting those terrible chairs and was it just me or did anyone else get yelled at multiple times if you did not use exactly the right vacuuming pattern on custodial crew?

Anonymous said...

The dunes.
rlm

Anonymous said...

burying each other's clothes at the dunes thinking it would be funny and then darkness hit and we couldn't figure out where we buried them!!!! EEEKKKK...ending up traveling back to Boyer Park Camp in front everyone with no clothes.

Anonymous said...

OMG !!
The dunes...
I seem to remember someone burying my clothes in the sand...
really exciting when it was time to go home :) I don't think we ever found my shorts
I don't even need to ID myself...
if you were there, you know who I am :)
good times

Anonymous said...

Hey Admin
can we put a link to this page somewhere in the side bar...
as the blog grows, this will post disappear into the archives, and even now, you have to scroll down pretty far to find it...
I for one, would like to continue chatting with all of you :)
Thanks for all your hard word!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

oh jeez, when I posted about the dunes, I was thinking about when we went there with Lulu and had my first experience with skinny dipping. And to you whose clothes were buried, we kept in touch so well for a few years, sorry we fell out of convo...I don't even know how that happened!
Tschuss,
rlm

Anonymous said...

Admin, You could take the comment a few up and start a new blog for the PCSers.

as for the comment above, Way to go Lulu! Nude is the only way to swim!

Innocence Destroyed said...

Admin here--
Just want to let you all know that it is very easy to start a blog. If you want a blog for PCS students then log in and start one. You can set one up very quickly and if you want us to post a link to it then let us know. We are having trouble keeping up with this blog; so another one would be too much work for us.

Anonymous said...

Hey admin
could you put a link to this post under "must read posts??"
THANKS
you are appreciated

Anonymous said...

Sorry, I meant to just start a new post, not an entire blog.

OK, so someone wanna post a new email to get the conversation going up higher on the blog?

Anonymous said...

I really think you PCS kids should start your own blog. Telling your stories to each other, while they may be helpful, does not seem to fit the theme of this blog.

I don't mean to offend any of you, but as a non-pcs person I think we all completely understand that you were all screwed by the church and school. Your point has been made many times over, littered in comment boxes all through this blog, and we don't need to hear it over and over again.

I also think that comments from you all are completely written off by the leadership as soon as you admit to be from PCS. You are immediately stereotyped as an angry PCS kid. You lose your voice. I think it actually distracts from other arguments and points.

So, for the purpose of all of your healing, and recounting all of your stories that outside readers don't really find funny, and telling inside jokes and ripping on old teachers and pastors--I really do think you should start your own blog. Just leave a link in the comments. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

I wrote the comment directly above. I am not an administrator of this blog; those are just my thoughts.

Anonymous said...

To all you expcsers, since this has come up several times throughout this post and I am frankly tired of searching for the original post, I have taken the liberty of creating our own blog.

Feel free to visit, send and post comments and I will even put up pictures if you would like.

Like the administrators of this blog I will also remain anonymous.

The link is: http://expcsers.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

to 12/12 5:12

If you don't like reading the stories of PCS that you do not find funny, guess what, you don't have to read them. You don't have to read the blog at all. I don't read the stuff I am not interested in, but the presence of that stuff doesn't bother me.

This is a blog. It is shapeless. It has grammar and spelling errors. It has inconsistencies. It is not a novel, and it is not a carefully crafted critique of life at LFF. I don't like everything on this blog, some of it makes a good case, some of it doesn't, but hey, its a blog.

Telling the PCSers to get their own blog--and they can if they want so far as I am concerned--but telling them to do it is a little bit like telling them that what they want to discuss is not relevent or important. Frankly, its a lot like the way they were treated at PCS and LFF.

Anonymous said...

You are treating us exactly how we have been treated for years...
if you don't like it, don't read it

Anonymous said...

One thing that most of us PCSers have learned is to finally stand up for ourselves.

For me personally it goes something like this . . .

"I am me, and you are not going to change that. I will be nice to you, but if you don't like who or what I am, then I don't need your friendship. Thanks for your input in my life, but I'll figure life out for myself now. THANKS!"

PCS kids, don't ever let anyone discount your feelings or opinions. We are marvelous and wonderful people. Sure we have our problems, but that's okay. It is just us.

Anonymous said...

"I also think that comments from you all are completely written off by the leadership as soon as you admit to be from PCS. You are immediately stereotyped as an angry PCS kid. You lose your voice. I think it actually distracts from other arguments and points." Who the Hell are you to tell us that we distract from your comments. You wonder why we are bitter, read your own statement. As usual we are treated as sub-human who's feelings and choices dictated to us. Since you feel that LFF will listen to your voice more than ours please by all means work your magic. I think most ex-PCSers would argee with me when I say F**K you. I hope you burn in hell for the verbal abuse you have cause in your life.

Anonymous said...

To the commenter who wrote, "So, for the purpose of all of your healing, . . . ripping on old teachers and pastors--I really do think you should start your own blog. Just leave a link in the comments. Thanks." Okay we may rip on old teachers and pastors but that's okay, did you like all of your teachers in school? I've read way worse things said about the pastors in this blog and many of them aren't written by PCS kids. So shut up and leave us alone!

Anyone have any stories to tell now? Let's start the story swapping again.

Anonymous said...

to blogger at 5:12:
How dare you. maybe we are angry PCSer that gripe about...there are a hell of a lot of angry LFFers on this blog...so you ignore those too? so that leaves you like 5 post to read total. why do you even waste your time. i'm ok with a separte blog, it could give a crap. BUT, do think you've heard the last from any of us if this blog continues. i won'tstart ignoring it, and i'll make my allegedly 'angry' posts if i so feel. but i'm not too bitter anymore...its just people like you who make it all come back. thanks.

plus, i'd be willing to bet..that if out of nothing but curiosity...you'll be at the new blog reading our resentful, hilarious, angry, funny, stupid, full of bad grammer, posts on the new blog, if it so flurishes.

have fun!!!! :)

Anonymous said...

The world is bigger than LFF. If we think life is so bad, take a little trip to Kosovo and see people really suffering. Or maybe Cambodia...or hell, even New Orleans. We've already decided that Kari just needs to do some lunges, eat a salad, and smoke a fatty to chill the heck out.

Anonymous said...

As a former PCS parent, I'm very glad to have the PCS posts and comments on this blog. I totally agree with a comment that John Brower made earlier about how we thought we were doing a good thing for our children. We were going to spare them any pain that we could. We were wrong, though. There's no way to keep our children from experiencing the pain of living. I think we bought into the humanistic idea that if only the environment can be ideal, a person can be perfect, life can be perfect. In spite of the imperfections in our parenting and the pain that came through LFF and PCS, though, it seems that many of the PCS kids have become thoughtful adults (some of them with great senses of humor).

Anonymous said...

Laughing while remembering...
The prayer closet.
The prayer garden.
No running in the "tabernacle".
Pastor Karl's "Sword of thr Lord".

Anonymous said...

Mkadesh

Anonymous said...

Free Market. Hiding stuff before the doors opened in order to secure the items...I brought so much crap home. My poor mom.
rlm

Anonymous said...

playing kickball in the upper parking lot and dan mildren blasting that sob ball over the parking lot and down the bank into the dogwoods

Anonymous said...

And then having to wait ten minutes until someone retreive it the dogwoods

Anonymous said...

Trigger. Didn't he bite Dave Retan(sp) and get put down? 20 points for whoever can name Dave and Julie's FIRST dog.

Anonymous said...

Kokomo

Anonymous said...

No, the mutt before her.

Anonymous said...

The one that got into the dark chocolate? Which is fatal to dogs?

Marley

Anonymous said...

I liked Aunt Mary's dogs! how many did she have...like three or four wasn't it?

Anonymous said...

Fozzy. If finally hit me last night at dinner. Genius...

Anonymous said...

Fozzy was Kari's dog I am pretty sure

Anonymous said...

I really like Aunt Mary!! She still is so nice when I come into town and run into people (around town of course, not at LFF). I think she is the one that treats me the best.

Anonymous said...

Aunt Mary is the best, no matter what she just wants us to be happy and she cares about us as people, not the way other LFFers do.

Anonymous said...

Chocolate killing dogs is kind of a myth. Even eaten in large quantities will not usually kill a dog, only make them very sick. Usually it is something else that kills them, though yes, it has killed some. Just a thought for those who didnt know.

Anonymous said...

Happy Festivus friends...

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