Tuesday, October 11, 2005

Reflection (via e-mail)

First of all- this is a good blog, thank you to whoever is maintaining it, I think it is important for people who have left LFF to have a place to talk about what happened to them, and to share their feelings with people who may understand- I have found that unless you were there, and experienced it, it can't be understood. I have spoken to other Pastors to try and make sense of some of the things, and almost immediately I can see them get nervous or get that look like "uh-oh" a dissenter, or a trouble maker- but I think here we all know that we weren't. We were just hurt and confused, and this type of expression brings some peace to those who use it.


I left LFF after spending 5 years of my young adult life with them. I made some mistakes (that I admitted), but they weren't life and death mistakes, just stupid things like being sloppy and forgetful, not keeping track of things correctly etc- things that since I left I have learned were fairly normal for where I was in my life. I am not making excuses for them, but I received a response that made me reassess my relationship with the church. Up to that point I was a Bible Study leader, a JCD, an intern, and a campus rep, I had developed a real relationship with Jesus, and felt like although I had problems, I was zealous to serve him. But I have to admit that when my CCL and HCL started questioning my sexuality, and my deliverance etc I was confused, scared and overwhelmingly sad. Yet, I stuck it out for some time, actually I held on believing I would be forgiven until one morning at crew. I was accused by an HCL (not my own) of making a sheep fall because I didn't get them to a baptism service on time, and I was told I was selfish and unrepentant. Now, this was very painful because I felt like I had given the last 5 years of my life to the exact opposite thing, I had spent those years documenting my life in 15 minute increments to show that I was spending time bringing people to the Lord- not making them stumble. All that being said, I have to say that I am sad for the people who have been hurt, and I know some of you spent many more years there than me, and I do understand the confusion and loneliness of leaving. But at the end of the day as I look back, I am still grateful to them for my salvation- I would not know Jesus if I had not gone to LFF.


That is hard for me to say; while I was there I walked through a lot of pain- I was "in love" with someone who was very close to leadership, we were doing marriage homework when some of this happened and I believe he was counseled to break up with me; he did it on the phone before a CCF. Obviously, I didn't feel up to going to CCF, but a little later I got a call from my HCL (who knew he had broken up with me) telling me I should be at CCF that night, and missing it was selfish. I only tell you these things because I want anyone reading to know that I did go through pain- but again I say I learned some things about Jesus that were real, and I did learn how to listen to Him. What is ironic is that they taught me to listen to God, and it was that very teaching that allowed me to hear God when he started telling me LFF wasn't where he wanted me.


I have been gone from LFF for over 5 years, and although the wounds left scars, the good thing about scars is that they remind you of what happened, but after a while they stop hurting. I am closer to the Lord now than I ever was; I am married to a fabulous man and we are serving the Lord together, and God has worked things out for me in a way I could not have imagined. So I hope this gives people who have just left, or who are stuck there (either physically or emotionally) some hope. God really does work all things out for good for those who love him- I am proof. We need to stay focused on loving God, and remember that he is our hope and our salvation not a church or a leader- they only have as much power to still hurt us as we let them have- When I finally turned all my pain over to Jesus he really did touch me, and he really did heal me, and yes I am still skeptical of some leadership but I feel like with him, I can heal from that too- he is my hope.


God Bless You All

1 Corinthians 2:9 - But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him


10 comments:

Anonymous said...

its so true what you say--that if you weren't there you probably won't understand. my new pastor worked with me and he understood i was affected by what he termed "spiritual abuse." but he never can understand just how deep and crazy it was. he also can't understand how I cant just get over it.

Anonymous said...

Excellent Comment. You reflect so many of our own hurts and experiences. So much so that I think I know who you are. You were my best friend and roommate during that time and I've missed you for five years. I know I was lied to about the circumstances surrounding your "fall from grace". You did EVERYTHING they asked and got NO GRACE in return. I've been free for almost 2 years and I'm dying to reconnect with you but am unsure how to do it. I wonder if others have seen comments from long lost friends on this blog. Perhaps there is a way to connect us to each other separately from the anonymity of this site?

Anonymous said...

I don't know if it works like this or not, but if you send an email to the administrators on the blog, they may forward your email address to the person, who then can decide if they want to have contact (remember some of the wounds go pretty deep).
Maybe we need another website for those who want to get in contact with others. Or, maybe a meet and greet (I know many of us have ended up in Seattle).

Administrators any ideas?

Innocence Destroyed said...

Admin here...The last comment provides feasible solutions to putting peolpe in touch. The first has already been used and has helped several former members contact others via e-mail. We are more than happy to forward e-mail addresses to other people given the permission of BOTH parties. However, to respect the privacy and anonymity of all those who e-mail us we cannot just e-mail everyone with a list of other e-mail addresses of former members. The contacts that have been made thus far have been complex and involved many e-mails between the admins and the parties involved before any permission was granted by both parties and an actual connection was made. Therefore, as you can see this option is complex and it is likely it will not put you in contact with whom you are seeking . Many e-mails have come with names but many have come from anonymous e-mail addresses too. Again, we can not and will not release anyone's contact information to anyone without first having their permission.

The second solution seems more viable. However, we would ask that someone else start and maintain this site. We would be more than happy to put a link to it on this site. There has to be someone out there who can build a site that would allow people to message each other but not give out contact information until both parties consent. There are many forums on the internet that use these methods but coding is not our specialty. We would be happy to work with someone on this project too if they do not want to go it alone, but the web expertise would need to be all yours.

Anonymous said...

That is a great idea. I was the one looking for my friend and actually got smart enough to use google and found them on my own. We are connected and will proceed from here. I'm personally not web saavy enough to do this but I bet someone out there is... By the way "Innocence" what you've done here is more than enough. I see so many people finding healing here, myself included. Thank you so much for what you've done!

Anonymous said...

I think it is important to emphasize that if you have left LFF you need to be guarded in how you convey what happened to you to other Pastors, I know it sounds silly- but when I initially left, I went to a Pastor to get help and make some sense of things. The Pastor counseled me, but then without telling me they contacted LFF, and spoke with the Vances, who told them all of the things they believed were wrong with me. I didn't know that had happened, and I thought all was well- a couple of years went by and I had offered to help out at the new church etc, but oddly they never really took me up on much. Eventually that church split, and I was close to one of the people who left, so I asked them why I was never really brought in, and they shared the whole thing about how the Vances had told my new Pastors things that made them leery, and that the church was having problems with people not trusting them, so the last thing they needed was to let someone with a critical tendency into leadership- UGH!!! I did not have a "critical tendency" but that was the label and most Pastors are very afraid of these types of things. Church splits are too common, and Pastors get nervous. So I would just warn you to be careful how much you share with a new Pastor- take some time to let them get to know you, so they have a frame of reference of who you are, before you share about your LFF experiences. Just a suggestion-

Anonymous said...

That last comment was absolutely true. Be very careful.

About 5 years ago I once spoke up during a confrontation from the current senior pastor's wife when she was berating me for something I did "wrong." I knew she was completely off base, and I told her I was going to find another church. She responded by threatening me that she would call my pastors wherever I went and tell them that I could not be led and was a horrible servant and a thorn in the church's side. That statement struck fear in me because I had no doubt she would do it, so I listened to her and shut up.

Anonymous said...

Funny you should mention that threat by the pastor's wife. She said the exact same thing to me. It was very hurtful to be told I was a thorn in the church's side by a close mentor. I guess I learned too much from her and emulated her to the point that I too became a thorn. When I left I never informed them where I would be attending church out of fear of retribution. To hear that they actually have engaged in these practices confirms my fear. How vindictive, to continue to hold you back spiritually even after you have left. A true shame.

Anonymous said...

I made contact with someone as detailed above and we met last night and had a drink together! (OH MY GAWD!) We had such a good time just talking. It was wonderful to reconnect and just see that God's love really does pour out. I think the one thing that LFF did was build a body of people that love God (even if we have be hurt by our shepherds). That body is still around and growing in strength as we see on this blog. I'm not saying that we should start a new church! (dear God no!). I am very happy where I am right now. But as we talked it seemed like it would be good to get as many people together just to hang out as possible. I would be glad to organize it if you are all open to it. If it's OK with the administrators, I will post my email and if people want to get together they can email me off list.

I await your decision.

Innocence Destroyed said...

To previous comment...Whoever you are, that sounds like a good idea. Just e-mail us at the address given on the site and we can go from there. If you can elaborate a little on what you are thinking when you send the e-mail it will help, most likely we will just make a post about your thoughts and include your e-mail address at the bottom, giving people the option of contacting you directly.